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And another one about My Name is Modesty
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Holger Haase
2009-08-20 20:51:11 UTC
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So I am finally watching MY NAME IS MODESTY and it is everything I
thought it would be. Which is piss poor.

Monica Vitti come back, all is forgiven, but I'd rather have a camp,
but proper 60s style Modesty than this anorexic figure who looks like
she could be broken like a twig.

The entire concept of the film is just ridiculous. Without Willie and
prior to the adventures of the novel this could be a filler for a long
running TV show, but not a main movie in its own rights.

Worse than seeing this Size 0 character is the fact that she needs to
report to bosses, gets commanded around by hostage takers and
generally doesn't have anything remotely like the charisma and power
of our literary hero.

You could call me utterly disappointed if I actually had any great
expectations of the film.

As they say: For completists only.
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Holger
Helen Evans
2009-08-20 21:00:46 UTC
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Post by Holger Haase
Monica Vitti come back, all is forgiven, but I'd rather have a camp,
but proper 60s style Modesty than this anorexic figure who looks like
she could be broken like a twig.
Well, I agree that the film isn't up to much, but I think it's still 100
times better than the Monica Vitti one (which even Peter O'Donnell said "was
so bad it made his nose bleed")
Post by Holger Haase
Worse than seeing this Size 0 character is the fact that she needs to
report to bosses, gets commanded around by hostage takers and
generally doesn't have anything remotely like the charisma and power
of our literary hero.
.. but this is definitely the part that let me down the most. Even without
Willie, Modesty would have had a plan, she would have knocked the stuffing
out of the kidnappers (albeit with the slight problem that you then have a
5-minute film). And yes, it bothered me deeply that Alexandra Staden looked
like she'd blow away in a light breeze!

Helen
Holger Haase
2009-08-20 21:25:13 UTC
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Ooops, just noticed that when replying to messages I need to make sure
I copy all. Otherwise the response only goes to the initial sender not
the mailing list. :-)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Holger Haase <***@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: And another one about My Name is Modesty
Post by Helen Evans
Well, I agree that the film isn't up to much, but I think it's still 100
times better than the Monica Vitti one (which even Peter O'Donnell said "was
so bad it made his nose bleed")
Must admit I always had a soft spot for the 60s Modesty. (Yes, I know
I am that one guy.) Is it a proper MB movie? Not at all. But it really
is a fun over the top psychedelic spy caper that I could watch
anytime. On the other hand MY NAME IS MODESTY: Doesn't even know for
fun spells like and has nothing in its favour Modesty- or otherwise. I
am sure if the 60s movie had not pretended to be an MB adaptation,
more people would ignore that aspect and enjoy it more.
Post by Helen Evans
... but this is definitely the part that let me down the most. Even without
Willie, Modesty would have had a plan, she would have knocked the stuffing
out of the kidnappers  (albeit with the slight problem that you then have a
5-minute film). And yes, it bothered me deeply that Alexandra Staden looked
like she'd blow away in a light breeze!
I totally agree: I really can't even express how much that bothered
me. This is just as much not a Modesty as the 60s film (but without
the fun element). I can't see anything in the Staden character that
reminded me of MB. She was a complete travesty. Hey, I am all for
pandering to the baser instincts, but 1) MB would never have advocated
using her femininity to attract punters in a casino (to save her life
with a nailer, yes, but not just for customers) and 2) what
femininity? Everyone talks about Staden being so drop dead gorgeous,
but give me a break, she is nothing remotely sexy or stunning.

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Holger
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Paul Kerry
2009-08-20 23:14:28 UTC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Helen Evans" <***@gmail.com>
To: "modesty-blaise" <modesty-***@mailman.gramstad.no>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: And another one about My Name is Modesty
Post by Helen Evans
Post by Holger Haase
Monica Vitti come back, all is forgiven, but I'd rather have a camp,
but proper 60s style Modesty than this anorexic figure who looks like
she could be broken like a twig.
Well, I agree that the film isn't up to much, but I think it's still 100
times better than the Monica Vitti one (which even Peter O'Donnell said "was
so bad it made his nose bleed")
I thought it was quite good. I have never seen the Vitti one and have no
desire to.
Post by Helen Evans
Post by Holger Haase
Worse than seeing this Size 0 character is the fact that she needs to
report to bosses, gets commanded around by hostage takers and
generally doesn't have anything remotely like the charisma and power
of our literary hero.
... but this is definitely the part that let me down the most. Even
without
Willie, Modesty would have had a plan, she would have knocked the stuffing
out of the kidnappers (albeit with the slight problem that you then have a
5-minute film). And yes, it bothered me deeply that Alexandra Staden looked
like she'd blow away in a light breeze!
Helen
But the point is that this is Modesty before she became boss of the Network.
She doesn't have the experience of the Modesty we know, or her formidable
companion. What you see is the potential coming out. The way she takes
charge when her boss is gone and starts to grow into the position and the
way she is always thinking and looking out for her people, not just for
herself. At first I thought Staden didn't look tough enough, but she acts
the part pretty well. Overall, there is a sense that the film does get what
MB is about. I thought so anyway.

Paul


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Mike Burrell
2009-08-21 07:44:32 UTC
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Post by Paul Kerry
Post by Helen Evans
Post by Holger Haase
Monica Vitti come back, all is forgiven, but I'd rather have a camp,
but proper 60s style Modesty than this anorexic figure who looks like
she could be broken like a twig.
Well, I agree that the film isn't up to much, but I think it's still 100
times better than the Monica Vitti one (which even Peter O'Donnell said "was
so bad it made his nose bleed")
I thought it was quite good. I have never seen the Vitti one and have no
desire to.
I rather enjoy this film, and have recommended to several people.
Post by Paul Kerry
Post by Helen Evans
Post by Holger Haase
Worse than seeing this Size 0 character is the fact that she needs to
report to bosses, gets commanded around by hostage takers and
generally doesn't have anything remotely like the charisma and power
of our literary hero.
... but this is definitely the part that let me down the most. Even
without
Willie, Modesty would have had a plan, she would have knocked the stuffing
out of the kidnappers (albeit with the slight problem that you then have a
5-minute film). And yes, it bothered me deeply that Alexandra Staden looked
like she'd blow away in a light breeze!
Helen
But the point is that this is Modesty before she became boss of the Network.
She doesn't have the experience of the Modesty we know, or her formidable
companion. What you see is the potential coming out. The way she takes
charge when her boss is gone and starts to grow into the position and the
way she is always thinking and looking out for her people, not just for
herself. At first I thought Staden didn't look tough enough, but she acts
the part pretty well. Overall, there is a sense that the film does get what
MB is about. I thought so anyway.
I think there must be an alternate set of Modesty adventures people have
been reading, because I can think of several times where Modesty was
taken hostage, and played a waiting game while waiting for elements of
the plan to come together. Yes, she plans action while waiting, but
still she does not act until she is ready. In Last Day In Limbo, (bear
with me, since this is from memory only), she organizes people to act
when action is required, but she waits until Willy and Maude are in
position before acting. This is very similar to the movie, where she
gets a signal to Raphael, then delays the action until Raphael is in
position, then she manipulates the villain to lead his troops to the
ambush site.

In Sabre-Tooth, she is taken prisoner, and if I recall correctly, she is
raped by one or more people. This is all part of the waiting game,
until she can act.

Another time, can't remember if this is comic or book, when she is taken
hostage, she let's herself be humiliated so she can eat, because keeping
up her strength until she can act is more important than her pride.

Point is, Modesty did have a plan. I suspect she set up the code with
Raphael behind Henri Louche's back, as she considered all the options.

As for reporting to bosses, the story background of book and comics have
always said that the worked for the Louche gang until he got himself
killed, then she took over. This working for the Louche syndicate
sounds like reporting to a boss to me. When did we start re-writing her
history, so that she was always the boss.
Think of your favorite leader, past or present. For example, Napoleon
Bonaparte. He was not always the emperor of France. He initially
worked for the Republic of France, then used his skills and ambition
position him to take over when the country destabilized. I can't think
of any great leader who started from the top on day one. Modesty worked
her way up, learned skills, observed, laid plans, and moved up when
ready. All this is shown in the movie. She was already the boss before
Willy showed up, so this film is a reasonable intro to her for a direct
to DVD movie, while saving the Willie and Modesty dynamics for later.
All in all, a good film. Not great, but for what it is supposed to be,
good.

Mike
Holger Haase
2009-08-21 08:00:40 UTC
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Post by Mike Burrell
As for reporting to bosses, the story background of book and comics have
always said that the worked for the Louche gang until he got himself
killed, then she took over.  This working for the Louche syndicate
sounds like reporting to a boss to me.  When did we start re-writing her
history, so that she was always the boss.
Fair enough, but as you indicated this was the *background* to the
stories. In the film this was pretty much all there is to it and
seeing her ordered about and throwing herself at customers etc just
doesn't gel overall. You also said you suspect she arranged a signal
with the other girl, but I can't say I felt the same: It sounds too
much like a hypothesis to make the film film Modesty similar to the
one with know from books and comics. And realistically whatever else
she may have planned, her actions involved in spending more than 40%
of the film talking endlessly about her past. What was her plan? Talk
the blond guy to death?

Of course, you're right that no character, historically or otherwise,
was always what we remember them from. On top of having to grow up,
reporting to bosses etc all those folks also regularly visit the
toilet, experience embarrassing farting moments, get stupid service in
a supermarket, accidentally hit their toes etc etc.

But that doesn't mean that a film depicting all those moments would
make a proper adaptation. Fact is that we associate Modesty with a
good amount of self reliance and authority. Mess around with it for
too much and it may be realistic, but it ain't Modesty anymore.

This film may have just about been appropriate as a fill in episode of
a proper MB TV show, but as a standalone piece it was pretty abysmal.
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Holger.... who just in the last second managed to change the To Address
Holger Haase
2009-08-21 07:46:13 UTC
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Darn, I again replied direct to sender not list. Aaaaarggghhh.....


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From: Holger Haase <***@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: And another one about My Name is Modesty
Post by Paul Kerry
But the point is that this is Modesty before she became boss of the Network.
She doesn't have the experience of the Modesty we know, or her formidable
companion. What you see is the potential coming out.
That's the theory. But in reality she didn't do anything much but
throw the wheel at the roulette table and disarm the gangster by
endlessly talking about her childhood. Those scenes took up the best
part of half an hour. Not the most riveting way to introduce an action
focused character.


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Holger
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Holger
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